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Trying to Date an SF Lameboy

I hear a lot about SF guys being unable to commit to a longterm relationship, but I’m having trouble finding one who can simply commit to a date! Whether I meet the guy through friends, while out on the town or online, what I’ve been finding are a lot of men who are GOP (great on paper)—educated, career-minded—but who flake like dandruff. Last Sunday a guy showed up for brunch an hour late, in his workout clothes and covered in sweat (all to "train for a 5k"). Other guys have FOMO (fear of missing out) and never commit to a time or place, just in case something else comes up.  My girlfriends and I sometimes swap and forward these guys’ hilarious messages. Here’s one thread:

Lame-o: "When do I get to see you next?"

Me: "Whenever."

Lame-o: "Well, I can't this weekend. Maybe some other time?"

Me: "Oh, ok."

Lame-o: "Ok, bye."

Any advice on how to find an SF guy who can show up to a real date?

He Said: Well, here’s the sad reality many women don’t want to hear. “The good ones are taken” has a fair amount of truth in it. Men who want and are able to maintain a relationship often already have one, and so the dating seas are awash with players, passive types, men distracted to the point of ADD by their work/social options, and—sadly—some slowly sinking wrecks.

Now for the good news: San Francisco is a very transient town, so there’s always a constant flow of new people to date. Switch it up: Hang out in venues that actually require a commitment of time and money—classes, concerts and the like —as opposed to casual parties and bars. Try dating a few guys who don’t fit your usual type. Also, try dating divorced men. Their marriage may not have worked out, but a man who’s made it to the altar can usually stick to a date. It only takes one or two to fill up your dating calendar.

 

She Said: Hilarious is right. But your response to Lame-o’s text is just as lame! I’m about to go all Dr. Phil on you, if that’s okay: You teach people how to treat you. “Whenever” sounds just as uncommital as “some other time.” Why didn’t you say, “I’m free Sunday night, or next Tuesday. Let me know if either works.” Better yet, say, “You get to see me after you call me up with a plan.”

And why on earth did you wait around for an hour for marathon boy? You should have gotten up and left the restaurant after 15 minutes, and if he got in touch to ask why, you should have told him you don’t wait around for hours for your dates.

True, you should put yourself in situations where the men tend to have already proven they have the ability to do what they say they are going to do. But you should also set up and enforce some boundaries about how much male ineptness you are willing to tolerate to go on a date. Most gals I know would rather be at home with Showtime and a chilled glass of Chardonnay than put up with guys like Lame-o. Think about it. You may spend a little more time alone, but if SF women all got on board with some boundaries and self-respect, eventually Lame-o and his tribe would learn their lessons the hard way, and everyone would benefit.

photo: Flickr/Joe Marinaro

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THe Relationships between heterosexual Men and women have been manipulated. The psychological warfare that has been waged against us is showing in these articles and others across the nation. Figure out how lifestyles and thought process that have been catered to you have changed your perceptions. think about how many movies you have watched that have had an affect on your subconscious. We have all been Manipulated to some degree. People need to really understand there mental landscape to understand who they are and how they relate to others. the unexamined life really IS NOT worth living. read Henry Makow for a different perspective he has some good alternative viewpoints for those with alternative viewpoints. There has been a country wide backlash against feminism and the way it has brainwashed lonely inept and career goal (selfish, conceited) women. Goddess worship is a lame duck policy that puts women on pedestal and emasculates men at the same time. Does that sound like something any analytical thinking self respecting man wants? Didn't think so. Keep your careers and become less desirable over time. There are more men out there capable of being your Knight in shining armour and happy committed relationships await us all. You women have to take responsibility for what your true heart desires if you even know what that is.

"uncommital"

I was going to leave an intelligent, witty, and charming comment but I have to be somewhere for that thing.

Lates.

There are good men all over this city..but when you're running around desperate trying to find a prized boyfriend, you won't meet any of them. Men can sense a womans desperation, and if you were a dude, would you want to date a woman so eager to find a boyfriend or would you be more into meeting a hot chick, kickin it, and seeing where things go? I'd prefer the later.

And the text thread, are you SERIOUS? You should have felt good that he asked when he could see you again in the FIRST place...that's at least saying he's thinking of you.. apparently you don't even deserve it.

I find it very depressing, to say the least, that girls in SF (and in many places) are so damn fixated on finding a boyfriend. I think the quest to be in a relationship really means that you're just lonely and have insecurity issues. A relationship isn't like a car or hot shoes you show off -- it's special because you have met someone you CLICK WITH and have CHEMISTRY WITH and who is just as excited about you, as you are with him... it's MUTUAL!!! It's not like, "yeah, I conquered that one, baby! I'm in a relationship now! Yippeeeee!". Please. It's so sad. I think this article is lame too. First off, whoever this girl is who was interested in this guy in the first place is to blame for even finding him the least bit attractive. Maybe he was hot and maybe he was drunk and talked to her.... sorry to break it to you, but that's how you get sex, not a boyfriend. He is lame, no doubt, but don't get all in a tizzy about it to the point you write an article -- he's a douchebag -- why are you even giving a guy like that your number anyway?????? And, if you REALLY wanted to see him, then when he asked when he gets to see you again, then you should've been mature enough to say, "I'd love to see you again too... whatcha up to this weekend?"... or whatever. Don't be a douchette back and say, "whenver". THAT'S lame.

It's all about chemistry. If there is real chemistry on both sides then NEITHER of you will be a lame-o until it wears off, which it inevitably will. When you feel it act on it. We don't stay young forever, so get it while yer hot.

I interpreted that text thread as completely lame too, having been there. First, I'm thinking it wasn't the first time he'd done it, or it wouldn't be perceived as so lame. Second, instead of being forthright and suggesting a specific date, he put it all on her -- "when do I get to see you next?" -- so she has to suggest a day/date and then he'd surely respond with "no can do, babe". I think a less douche-y approach on his part would be to say "I'd love to see you again soon - how about dinner?" to which she'd respond "Sure" and they could start planning. I think her "Whenever" response was because she'd heard this before (probably from him) and was responding accordingly. Also, it should be noted that she said her friends and she swap lame stories, so not sure this was her experience or her friend's. Totally agree I'd NEVER wait an hour for a guy, esp at brunch. Later for you!

I'm so sick of hearing women complain about how they can't meet a good man in SF. Why is being single such a death sentence? Is it really that bad? "All the good guys are taken" wait a few more years and half of them will be getting a divorce. If you can't meet a good man in SF why don't you try moving back to Ohio or where ever most of you have moved from.

I've certainly dated one or two or eighteen guys who can't commit to a date / call you back / whatever. But it's not limited to San Francisco, in my experience. And to the original question-asker. Hello! You responded with "whenever" when he actually DID ask a very direct, plans-making question, "When do I get to see you next." You, my friend, are the one who is being non-committal here! He's just responding in kind.

Oh and @Scott -- You're one of the good ones? And yet you're recommending that women don't "shoot for the stars if you are a four." Seriously??? One of the good ones in my book is someone who doesn't give women a "score" based on their looks. Good lord! A good job and active lifestyle does not excuse douchey behavior.

I agree with She said. "Whenever."?!? I'm sorry, are you a total bitch or just totally lacking in self esteem you will drop anything to see this guy any day he wants? Or Both? If you want a man to act like a man worth dating then tell him you only respond to a man worth dating and give him a chance to be that man. Your response to that text should have been (umm, first of all, NICE) and something like, "Hey you. Could be fun! Call me with your plan and I will see what I have open for you. : )" or "Hey there, I like a man that knows what he wants! I like a man that calls me even more. : ) TTYS!" That says, "thanks for reaching out, and pick up the phone and you will get a date." If he is too lame to pick up the phone, then move on. Seriously, I am so sick of women complaining there are no good guys in SF when there are TONS. It's the women that need to find some self respect and learn how to date properly.

I just spend a stretch of time being a single man in SF. I'm one of the good ones: great career, motivated, intelligent, active, etc.

SF Girls, and to a lessor extent, girls in general, need to bring more game to the table. Act interested. Don't shoot for the stars if you are a four--date within your means. And for F's sake put recent photos on match.com.